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8Asians.com: Chinese Duke student gets threats after China protest

  • Jon · 1 year ago
    Things like this are fairly common in China. People don't have many ways to give outlet to rage and frustration (a legitimate frustration about the image of their country -- people are desperate to feel proud), and so it often is misdirected, or cynically guided. That is easy to do. Politically, China is very immature, and led by a clique that not only encourages, but sometimes itself indulges in adolescent rage.
  • Kai Liu · 1 year ago
    Here is an article written by Grace Wang's roommate in Duke.
    http://happinessguaranteed.blogspot.com/

    Grace apparently has some issues. Read it and make your own judgment. BTW, Grace's open letter written in Chinese is really a maniac work. Full of quotes from old literature works and none of them make sense in the way she put together. Her logic is disordered and obviously she thinks she is intelligent and deserve to rule. It is sad such a girl who likes to bring attention to herself is trapped in this sensitive moment.
  • Eveline · 1 year ago
    As a Chinese-Canadian observer, I've been saddened by all the anger and hatred being thrown from both sides, I was glad to see that others, like John, think the same:

    There's an inherent difference between being critical of the communist party, and of its people.

    Unfortunately, I think all Chinese think the worldwide protests was meant to be a slap in THEIR faces, but that's not what my Canadian, German, or French friends think or want! They are squarely against the government's policies and terrible record.

    The Chinese people need to understand that if this were happening to any other country in the world with a history of rights violations, people would be out in the streets too. I'm sure we'll see protests prior to the London 2012 Games.

    Past protests provide good examples. Let's not forget the massive protests against the Iraq War; the worldwide outrage at Guantanamo prisoner abuses; even today, there are still people protesting for the closure of Guantanamo!

    The West is not as hypocritical as some Chinese think; and I think when the West makes clear who they're targeting, things will get better.
  • Rinzing · 1 year ago
    To all the pro china protesters,
    It is good that you love your china. you hate us tibetans for calling FREE TIBET. but how come you are expecting us not to hate your govt, when they are kiling our tibetans brothers and sisters in tibet.
  • Huang · 1 year ago
    Any responsible government will certainly crack down those rioters who looted, burned, killed, and destroyed the innocent people.
  • John · 1 year ago
    Huang - I certainly don't condone any Tibetan rioters who "burned, killed, and destroyed innocent people."

    But the Chinese government doesn't exactly have a great track record on human rights. The students in Tiananmen Square weren't exactly rioting,looting burning or killing innocent people in June 1989 when they were killed by the PLA.

    Without a free press in Tibet, we aren't totally sure exactly what happened afterwards when the Chinese government kicked out the foreign press.
  • Cara · 1 year ago
  • John · 1 year ago
    Cara - sounds like a conspiracy theory to me - "a destabilized China," led by the United States, is the last thing the United States. No U.S. policy maker wants a country of 1.3+ billion people to be de-stablized.

    The truth is - China and the U.S. need each other and it is in both country's self-interest to maintain a peaceful relations. Peaceful does not mean that the countries do not always agree.

    John
  • uRB4N · 1 year ago
    I think "destabilizing" is a strong word but I do think that the US is behind the plan to either embarass China or weaken it's influence. Thing is, America think it's so sly and that everyone is dumber than they are.

    It's this type of arrogance which is going to be it's undoing.
  • John · 1 year ago
    Well, as the world's only "super power," its in America's best interest to weaken everyone else's influence. But with Bush, the Iraq War, etc... the U.S. influence is less and less.... Americans are dumb, or at least those who voted for Bush:

    How can 59,054,087 people be so dumb?
    November 4, 2004
    http://www.thehumorarchives.com/attachment/232/...
  • hareyuan · 1 year ago
    i don't know who killed the most man and woman in this world, but i know it is not chinese certainly!
    the japannes and it's king killed more than 45millions chinese, but japanes would not be protest and the king is the king yet,there is no human right and any other trouble because it is useful and good to usa
    the same everyone know england looted, burned, killed, and destroyed this world than anyother country in the past 300 years, but now england is human guarder of this world ,because he is asistant of usa
    now here is looted, burned, killed, and destroyed in iraq everyday, who asked why?
    there is ony onw world ,man is himself and only think himself more than other,so it is the same of usa, and wester goverment too
  • loveuS · 1 year ago
    This article is not impersonal!

    Patriotism is also a kind of freedom. Patriot should not be blamed.
    On the other hand, Things are not so bad actually. The author has exaggerated the fact.

    The author expressed the feeling that it was "cool" that so many peopled had died in the Tibetan riot.


    The author stirred hatred. This is not what we want! I against the prejudice !

    By the way, Grace Wang just wants to get the greencard. Now, this is a God-given chance!
  • oneChina · 1 year ago
    Today ,
    in china,
    whichever political party in power,
    CCP included,
    will be overthrown by people in the next day if Tibet were split from China!
  • Cara · 1 year ago
    Why do people in the west get all excited when they see Chinese fighting over issues where
    they happen to have different perspectives. They are all Chinese. Would you get excited when you see Americans or Canadians fight over some issues, verbally. No weapon, no guns, just national flags and songs. I call that peaceful exchange. If you understand enough Chinese. The song they were playing in the video was a beautiful song attributed to all Chinese, overseas Chinese and minority groups in China, to promotes love for one another. It was not meant to hate or discriminate anyone. I think Grace Wang was just speaking her mind. According to a report in a Chinese newspaper, she was calling both sides to calm down, didn't mean to side with either group. She is not a traitor and should not be called that simply because she has an opinion.
  • Ben · 1 year ago
    As a Chinese American and a Duke graduate, I think we need to contemplated limiting the number of graduate student we allow from China. After the recent arrests of a number of Chinese spies here in the US by the FBI for industrial espionage, we need to accept the fact that we're educating certain individuals that are actively opposed to our democracy.

    We didn't allow Russian graduate students during the Cold War, we still have export limitations for technology to China, so it seems somewhat illogical to allow Chinese graduate students come to the US to procure knowledge in an intangible form that we wouldn't export in a tangible format.

    Frankly the amount of xenophobia and nationalism in China does concern me. Idiots like onechina that think that the Han Chinese should dominate China regarding of the historical context of their own country's formation just shows how little they know of what broke apart the old Yugoslavia, the partitioning of the Czech Republic and Slovakia, and the current trend towards separatism in Belgium. There's no cultural link between Tibet and Beijing except for the fact that China's been sending Han Chinese there in order to attempt to dilute the population. Nice try.
  • Cara · 1 year ago
    Is it really just an "attempt to dilute the population" OR may be the Chinese government is trying to integrate them into the Han society? Are we saying that isolating Tibet is a good thing? I am sure most of us do not recommend segregation. I like living in a racially /culturally diverse community. I don't know a lot about Tibet, honestly I am still learning.
  • John · 1 year ago
    Ben - actually, in general, it has been more difficult for foreign graduate students to get a visa to study in the United States after 9/11.

    As for "Chinese spies" - well, I'm sure there have been some "real" spies and some Chinese-Americans (American-born and naturalized) who have taken the opportunity to sell information to the Chinese due to their access to sensitive commercial or military information. No different than Americans like Aldrich Ames selling CIA secrets to the Soviets / Russians.

    However, I am concerned about the sensationalism of "Chinese spies" - which has lead to the illegal imprisonment of people such as Wen Ho Lee or even worse, back i World War II, the internment of Japanese-Americans - one of the greatest violations of civil rights in American history (probably behind the genocide of the Native American and the history of slavery in the United States).

    Cara - there is one thing if people want to be assimilated into the greater society as a whole, but from my limited understanding and knowledge of Tibet's history, Tibetans have primarily stayed to themselves. Ironically, the Dalai Lama is for more openness of Tibet and access to the rest of the world and China. As for Ben's comment regarding dilution - this has been a typical tactic for governments to marginalized and slowly eliminate an ethnic minority. Whether or not this is China's intent is up for interpretation.
  • Cara · 1 year ago
    This blogger has something intelligent to say about Tibet and China relationship.

    http://www.kaichang.net/2008/03/friday-music-ti...
  • Freedom · 1 year ago
    Respect people with a different point of view! That's the problem with most Chinese!

    They can't tolerate different opinions and they can't admit mistakes!

    The faults are always on the other party.
  • Cara · 1 year ago
    Freedom, if you put it that way. I think most people are guilty of that. Americans included.
  • shrek · 1 year ago
    Eveline wrote:
    Unfortunately, I think all Chinese think the worldwide protests was meant to be a slap in THEIR faces, but that’s not what my Canadian, German, or French friends think or want! They are squarely against the government’s policies and terrible record

    To Eveline:
    Unfortunately, I think you are totally wrong! What you think is absoluately not what most Chinese people think. If you knew only" a little " history of tibet and not a
    goon, you would know why chinese people are so angry.

    So do you think you can bare that the slogan "Free Washtion D.C."? You will say that's bullshit. Yes you got the right answer. That's the reason. Maybe you will say "that's toatlly different"! So go back to learn only a littleeeee histoty about tibet, and if you still are not able to undertasnd, welcome to tibert to live for some time.

    Your western are used to condemn "Chinese human rights, Chinese Comunist Party......". As a native China citizen, I can tell you that No ONE Western Party can do better in China internal affairs than Comunist party in the Past and Today's world If the western party came into power in China. If you could live in China for more than 10
    years, you will understand what I said.

    So you western people have a wonderful democracy??? Take American as an example:So beautiful democracy----->So beautiful democracy presidential election------> BUSH become president------>evil Iraq war(Just an excuse). So I think your
    so-called democracy led to this evile War. Is this your so-called democracy?? Who are responsible for those innocent people's dying? Who?? Don't tell me this war aimed to eliminate terrorists------War only made more and more terrorists. Don't tell me that is
    only the American government opinion------You voted to them(at least stand the most Americans opinon)! Living is the most essential human rights!! It's hard to understand
    your so-called human rights. Your so-called democracy is a nightmare for those people in developing country.
  • Cara · 1 year ago
    shrek, I support you. Thank you for speaking out.

    Americans might have all the education and "FREEDOM" but what they
    don't have is Chinese WISDOM!
  • Akrypti · 1 year ago
    Has it occurred to anyone if the U.S. in a democratic state can have serious issues with objectivity in the media, then so too can China in a communist state encounter this problem, too? We may not know the whole Tibet-China story here in the U.S., but certainly the Chinese under Chinese education don't know it either.

    Arguing with Chinese Nationalists about what China has and hasn't done is like arguing with evangelical Christian zealots. "You're WRONG because the Communist Chinese government said.....so it MUST be true! Otherwise...why would the Communist Chinese government tell us that?!?"
  • Guo Ren · 1 year ago
  • well · 1 year ago
    So called patriotics Chinese, most of them are waiting for green card, not just Wang. Look at statistics how many from mainland who come to study and return. Only those ring leaders of student association might return back since they will get party post other than them are looking down to settle in west no matter how China has developed or toxic.
  • szwpang · 1 year ago
    Shrek, do you actually know the history of tibet, and from whence does this education come? and can you dissociate yourself with your nationalist feelings long enough to question if your opinion on this matter is jaded by biased history lessons, and further misguided by love of country? i personally have little knowledge on the subject, but i HAVE lived in China for more than 10 years (and visited tibet several times) and watched CCTV 4,5,6..X daily, and i find the coverage on the subject laughable. In fact, i just finished watching a rediculous show on CCTV7 where they marched out 2 han chinese "experts", one with a PLA uniform on, and repeatedly analyzed the Cafferty gaff, discussing "why the westerners don't like us" and why they so misunderstand the Tibetan issue, as if that idiot Cafferty represents Western opinoin on the matter. As an educated, and hopefully intelligent Chinese person, this kind of patronizing news and commentary should embarrass and offend. if it turned out that Tibetans were deeply angry at the Chinese presence there, and had legitmate issues with the way the region is governed, woudl this matter to you? what if they insisted of independence? is the 大陆 Han chinese position on this the only valid one? The pro-China pontifs love to march out examples of US attrocities against native americans as if that gives them a free pass on Tibet. The bottom line is the issue of Tibet's independence is too big, and complicated to for most of us to understand. most either have no, low or wrong education on the matter by way of propoganda wars on both sides. A much, much more relevant and immediately addressable issue is why the Chinese people are so accepting of information from the CCTV robotic mouthpieces, andf why they get all worked up to defend a position (so-called biased western media), without a basis for making the argument - ie. an alternate, credible news source? you are arguing that CNN is biased (and i agree, for the most part), but how do you know if they are biased on teh tibetan issue? please, for the love of God, tell me? And i dare you to find a source that does not start with a C...and end with a..V. The fact that the CCP kicked all other media groups out of Tibet makes this a rhetorical question.
  • Akrypti · 1 year ago
    szwpang:

    I've been waiting for this opinion and commentary to finally come out! THANK YOU. ARRGH!!!! So frustrating that it took this long.

    I was watching Chinese news the other night and also saw a special where commentators gave their opinions on why all the hostility toward China in the West. Loved it. Some of the best irony ever because the reasoning they gave was that the Western media is biased and has thusly brainwashed the people. Moreover, the rampant nationalism in America makes us want to be #1 and since China is rapidly catching up, we see them as a threat and thus need to break them down and paint them as demons. Again. Irony, anyone?