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8Asians.com: Who Is the Asian Princess?

  • Kevin Cheng · 2 years ago
    Hm. Interesting. I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
  • Mike · 2 years ago
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  • Ratrace · 2 years ago
    What Asian woman can any Asian man handle unless he beats her physically and emotionally to appease his own insecurity?

    You're completely full of shit. I treat my Asian woman with respect and she responds accordingly.
    Can't wait to see what other white, racist propaganda you're going to try to spit out as some cutting edge "deep" thought. Pathetic. Better yet, Tila Tequila has a new show out. Stick to what you know.
  • Confuse_Us · 2 years ago
    I grew up around white people and all of my dating experience has been with non - East Asian women, so I never came into contact with the "Asian Princess" character you speak of. This is something of a "shotgun" rant - you've rolled several grievances into one and fired off a volley that will hit many targets at once. Good tactic - let everyone know that they're assholes!
    As I said, I grew up around white people and whilst I experienced my fair share of ignorance and racist stupidity, I never developed a sense that I was inferior or less masculine than anybody. I actually learned about these supposed characteristics from other Asians. That's just sad - how is it that Asians who are obviously part of an Asian community can develop such self-denigrating self images, whilst I as the only East Asian in my town developed a belief that Asians are a cultured race worthy of dignity and respect? What is the Asian community doing wrong?
    I think that the main gist of your rant/post is that Asian women lack the consciousness to overcome living their lives based upon stereotypical attitudes from within and outside of their own communities. The road to any emancipation has to begin with an internal struggle - a questioning of ; one's place (expected or otherwise) in society; the historical circumstances that brought one to a particular point in life; challenging the "truths" of the society or community you're from and so on and so forth. Most importantly, an individual must develop a vision for themselves and their community - how does one see the future of society and one's place in it. Unfortunately, the Asian community seems to lack this vision, is this why there is so much self-denigration and mutual distrust?
  • Bertie · 2 years ago
    As I said, I grew up around white people and whilst I experienced my fair share of ignorance and racist stupidity, I never developed a sense that I was inferior or less masculine than anybody. I actually learned about these supposed characteristics from other Asians.

    BINGO!

    (Oh, and princesses and divas exist in all cultures. Avoid.)
  • Philipp · 2 years ago
    > Pathetic white men who can’t earn the time of
    > day from women of their own race, so they go
    > for Asian women, who are more than willing to
    > be conquered because they think white is better.

    Sheesh, is *that* what you think when you meet a cross-ethnic couple in love on the streets?
  • Asian Prince · 2 years ago
    The Asian princess is the girl who lives beyond her own means. The one who goes to daddy or mommy when they can't do it themselves. The one who shuns money when they've always had it. These are the girls who have never felt the real weight of shouldering costs.

    The career Asian women are out there, but those aren't the ones writing these posts. They are the women of action, not words. They don't seek to persuade with cherry picked evidence, they seek to prove with actual achievement. I think it's too easy to cast stones behind castle walls (especially the ones daddy paid for).

    I believe you commit the same mistake as your opponents. Several asian males try to make women feel inferior and irrational. Your post seeks to do the same thing to asian males. The common denominator between these two groups is this-- both are looking for love, and can't find it. It results in caustic entries that denounce the XY phenotype, while secretly hoping that some grand exception will appear and prove all this wrong.

    Did I mention that I'm an asian prince?
  • Ken · 2 years ago
    Philipp, do us all a favor and stfu about the whole "colorblind" angle.
  • Philipp · 2 years ago
    > Philipp, do us all a favor and stfu
    > about the whole “colorblind” angle.

    Ken, and your argument, reason or rational discussion is where? Or are you merely calling names, trying to silence others by bullying them, and trolling for attention?
  • Philipp · 2 years ago
    PS: The assumption that "dating out of your race" is for some reasons shameful, or done only because you can't date "in your race, where you naturally belong", is, by and large, plain old racism. It was even used by Nazi propaganda in children books to shame Jewish men dating Aryan girls. There's nothing revolutionary about it. It happens to me on the street by people far less conscious about race than one would assume the bloggers here to be. If I would have to pick a location to move to than indeed I'd hope to go to a place where people are more colorblind than that. Not completely colorblind, but a little more so that when walking the streets you don't have to wonder if people think these thoughts as expressed here all the time.
  • Ken · 2 years ago
    Well, I'm glad it took 10 posts to evoke Godwin's Law.

    My post was merely to point out that I know exactly where your argument is going to end up. It's been done countless times and it always leads to the idea of being "colorblind" when it comes to love. As much as it sounds good to be colorblind, it simply doesn't work.

    Add on the fact that it's extremely offensive for white people to randomly troll around minority communities and state as a matter of fact that race isn't an issue ranging from topics such as workforce employment to interracial dating.

    The fact of the matter is that it *is* an issue and it'll only get bigger. If you look at the history of Asian America, this has been a very divisive topic and those that claim otherwise are simply trying to skirt around the problem. This is also why I believe the Asian American community hasn't made any real progress other than through the growth of population size. It loves to bury it's head in the sand. In fact, I don't even believe Asian Americans have a "community." The only community Asian Americans have is if there is a large group of them living in an area. We, as Asian Americans, have almost no sense of community duty or civic responsibility.

    Since you're so wise and up to speed on the sociology issues of Asian America, let's start you off slow and have you address the following regarding your topic and why it's so divisive.

    1.) In a recent poll conducted by Columbia University, it has been noted that women of all ethnicities are tolerant of interracial dating. However, white, black, and Hispanic prefer men from their own race. The only exception are Asian women. In fact, white men can actually be less qualified in terms of education and net worth than an Asian man. One would think that having the same racial background would be an advantage but it's actually a hindrance.

    2.) The lopsided ratio has lead to anger and mistrust. Personal story in that I know several Asian women in the Houston area complaining that all the great Asian men were taken by white women. Upon hearing this, other Asian men started jeering and mocking, almost in orgasmic joy, at these Asian women. This, in turn, angers Asian women as they feel they're targeted simply for being Asian women.

    3.) Due to the fact that Asian men are severely emasculated by North American media, Asian women who date and marry white men are promoting the sexualized image. In essence, stating to society that white men were right. After all, with such a huge out flux of Asian women to white men, that means something must be wrong with Asian men. Therefore, while Asian women believe they can stand up for Asian men while dating white men, it's simply impossible from a social point of view. This point was actually brought up by an Asian American woman. It's important to point out that it's not the same had the roles been reversed. Asian men who date out put on a display that they can compete along the same lines despite what the white North American patriarchy states.. Hey, life isn't fair and it never will be.

    4.) There is no such thing as colorblind (in fact, it's a long-running Stephen Colbert gag for just that reason). It is not a racist stance to see color, but a fact of life. Ignoring it promotes ignorance. I don't actually think you know what racism actually entails. What you are describing is prejudice or "preference," not racism. Racism is if one believes that one race is superior to another.
  • akrypti · 2 years ago
    Wow, Ken. I usually don't like posting comments that have no other purpose but to say "wow," but yeah.. wow. Very solid response. Wow. I wonder what there is to say to counter you...

    Jolly good show!
  • Confuse_Us · 2 years ago
    "..white, black, hispanic (women) prefer men from their own race. The only exception are Asian women."

    Could the reason be that mainstream white culture doesn't place many negative connotations on a white man dating an Asian women? It's glamourized and romanticized with an implication that white men are doing Asian women a favour by helping them "escape" from mean Asian men. You see many more Asian females represented in the media in a positive light than you find of Asian men. In other words there doesn't seem to be the same degree of obstacle that a black woman might face if she married white. By contrast AF/WM unions seem to be welcomed by white society.
    The "problem" that this acceptance creates is that these unions are sometimes presented as evidence of a general acceptance of Asian people or culture, which I don't believe they are.
  • Hannah · 2 years ago
    I FUCKING LOVE YOU. I... jesus. I had goosebumps, literally, the whole entire time. Reading that was like a burst of fresh air into an otherwise claustrophobic isolation chamber (the sad lack of visibility and TRUTH regarding Asian-American women's issues). Thank you for writing this. Thank you for not getting lost in PC-ridiculousness like so many other writers. Thank you thank you THANK YOU.

    I don't know what else to say. I'm just beginning to realize my "Asian-ness" as I grew up around solely non-Asians and in "assimilated" environments. I'm in college now... and just looking around... I see so many gross stereotypes that society hold toward Asian women. how they are ENDLESS fetishized, fetishized, fetishized... by Asian men, non-Asian men, blacks, whites, hispanics, etc. etc. etc. The frustration and sheer disgust I experience from this is exacerbated by the fact that I AM A BROKE TOMBOY. I'm neither middle class nor feminine. My idea of a fun night is watching political documentaries in sweatpants, I dress like an auto-mechanic, I've been financially independent since the age of 17, I curse like a sailor, pure nerdcore, and I have a loud-ass mouth that's been known to go off at ignorant people. nothing about me is petite or "cute".. but because I am small and an asian female with typical east-asian females... "cartoony" features... PEOPLE TREAT ME LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN. Guys either hit on me using the whole creepy "me like you because you seem easy to dominate" and society in general tends to dismiss us as cute little marginal nothings.

    FUCK THIS SOCIETY. It's time for a change. More *strong* and *intelligent* Asian women in the forefront of media/society NOW. More exposure, less stereotpes. I don't have the good fortune of being around any Asian people/role models in my life right now, but this article gave me a lot of hope. If a smart, funny, acerbically witty and unapologically opinionated person like you exists, then there's more of us out there. I feel like my load has been lightened considerably... I'm not the only one fighting this cultural battle. lol.
  • Ernie · 2 years ago
    Interesting topic. I guess everyone has a slightly different view point and therefore opinion. Here goes mine. I've dated girls of all races (minus 1) when I was younger. White, black, hispanic...even non-Americans, Dutch, Hungarian, Brit, Czech. I was married to a Norwegian gal at one time and followed that with a black girlfriend. So I've done the whole spectrum so to speak...EXCEPT Asian females (hence the minus 1 above). I mean when I was younger, they were the only group that "rejected" me. At first I thought it was me, but heck the non-Asian girls I've been with were of a pretty high standard, so it couldn't have been me. I've never had a problem meeting non-Asian women as they tend to find me quite interesting. However, when it comes to Asian women in this country, I can't seem figure it out. But here is my theory.

    I believe that Asian-American females so desparately want to fit in and live the "all-american" lifestyle, that white-picket fence, suburban existence, mom, apple pie, SUV's, etc. etc. that they want to end up with a white male to accomplish this goal. It provides not only security and stability, but also an identity. I remember sitting at a cafe once and a group of 6-7 Asian-American mothers came in with their kids. All the kids were mixed, which meant that they all had white fathers. It was kind of funny to watch though. These mothers going about like typical American soccer moms. And then some of the dads strolled in. Wow, were they "frumpy" to say the least. For these Asian women to pick "frumpy" white guys over cultured well-educated Asian guys means that she is looking for something that is beyond the usual dating "resume". And that is the "American" lifestyle that the while guy provides for them.
    Needless to say, I've given up on Asian women quite a while ago. It dawned on me that no matter how great and ideal an Asian guy can be, he'll get nowhere with these Asian women because he's.....well Asian. So why bother with them then when there are so many other races that are dateable.
  • Jake · 2 years ago
    I have several Caucasion buddies that are average at best who have admitted to chasing after Asian girls because they can get a "hotter" Asian girl than a girl of their own race. So their logic is why go for an average white girl when you can easily get an above-average Asian girl? This actually makes a lot of sense from their perspective and you can't really knock them for going that route. What I wonder about though is why would so many Asian girls settle for guys that attractive women of their own race would otherwise take a pass on? I also asked an attractive Caucasion female friend of mine about this once, and she also noted that lots of Caucasion guys she sees with Asian girls are what she would call "rejects".
    Do Asian girls have such bad taste?
  • Ernie · 2 years ago
    No, I don't think it's a matter of taste, but a matter of plugging holes in their own insecurities. I remember once at a party that was multi-racial and I was mingling/flirting with all kinds of girls there and then I met this Asian chick that said something along the lines that the only "cute" guys at the party were a few white guys at the bar. Wow, I couldn't believe she said this right in my face. The thing is that she wasn't even that cute so I suspected that by making known that she just goes for white guys, it helped bolster her own self-esteem (by implying that she's too "good" for an Asian guy). Well, after she said it, she realized how silly the comment sounded, so she back-tracked a bit and apologized to me that she didn't mean to offend me. Well I wasn't about to let her off the hook so easily so I told her that I didn't date Asian women anyway so she wasn't going to get a free drink from me and that I had quite a few white friends with "Asian fetishes" that I could hook her up with. Boy that really annoyed her, but the way I see it, she DESERVED that response. I knew right there and then that she'd end up with some "frumpy" white guy. Typical.
  • Jake · 2 years ago
    Funny story Earnie, and good response. I 'd probably would have said something like "You know, having an average white boy friend won't improve your self-image". I've met Asian women like this as well and although they have the right to date who they want, the fact that they JUST want to date a white guy is disturbing. I mean, I've done on-line dating before and all other women will always include a guy of the same ethnicity as a possible date and then expand from there to include other races. But with Asian females, there is an alarming number of them that write that they JUST want to date someone white. That's it. I wouldn't be as annoyed if they said they also could date black, hispanic, indian and other types, but no, they specifically just want to date someone white. It's becoming a cliche now.
  • Ernie · 2 years ago
    I agree, it's a bit of a cliche now. I was just at a cafe the other day and there were these two chubby middle-aged Caucasion guys that were talking about how they like to get on the Asian dating sites and "pick-up" Asian women looking for white guys. It was kind of pathetic to hear but after thinking about their "situation" a bit, it was totally understandable. I mean, here were two guys, overweight, somewhat unkempt, nothing special, who properly can't get any Caucasion women to date them, so the only women they can date happen to be those that would date them for the one thing they have to offer...whiteness. So you really can't knock them. But then you think about all these Asian women who would gladly welcome such guys just because their white, and well, maybe they all just deserve each other. On one side, you have all these insecure Asian females and on the other side you have all these insecure Caucasion guys. Match made in heaven.
  • TimeOut · 1 year ago
    "She keeps her figure slim and clothed in designer labels. Her well-manicured fingernails..." That's where I relax... Designer labels and well-manicured fingernails might mean a hot chick to screw, but probably just means an expensive ongoing tantrum. And I happen to live in a country where prostitution is legal, thank Christ, so a hot lay needn't come with out the baggage. As for slim, not so sure about that, the only chickos I see in designer labels and manicured finger nails aren't slim, they are skanky-assed skinny. And I don't want skinny kids, so no thanks...
  • Anthony · 5 months ago
    I have lived in the US for 10 years now. I have had a problem with these women coming after me. I am 6', blonde, blue eyed, in good shape, articulate, a high level professional, told I am very good looking, funny and Married (to a white woman)! I have never sought out an Asian woman in my life.

    I don't have anything against Asian women or any women of any race but for some reason these women have sought me out. I have had a number of them that have tried to be my "best friend." Want to hang out with me all the time at the fitness club, at the country club, hockey rink, or what have you. I have even had them frequent my company as clients excessively in an attempt to establish a friendship with me.

    I don't like to try to be rude to anyone and have been neither overly friendly or flirtatious or rude to get rid of them. BTW they were ALL married too (to white men). And these men were not the best looking usually, while all of these women were very attractive. In retrospect I would say those men could not have married a white woman half as attractive as these asian women were.

    I don't even live in a city with a high Asian population (Phoenix). I probably just represent the "white bread" stereotype success story. I am not sure if they see me as "moving up the food chain" or what but they all have let me know in no uncertain terms I can have what I want with them. Its weird.

    I stumbled across your article and you described most of them to a tee. Married to white men, designer this and that, German car...Mercedes or BMW. They have all told me they would only marry a white man (which I find odd, I would mary anyone of any race if I loved them). I didn't grow up in the US so I have a different perspective on things than Americans but I do represent the quintessential American s success story.

    I don't pretend to know jack about any Asian culture. Its not really on my to do list either. I feel indifferent to Asian men & women in general. They are just people to me. . But I keep having these gorgeous Asian women coming after me, more so than woman of any other race. And I just didn't understand why really. Why Asian women? I guess they were the Asians you described. Princesses.

    And no, I wasn't stupid enough

    Your article was an eye opener.